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MagmaRed · May 19, 2009, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Each already has a mini.

UW = Aatxe + Terrorweb Dryder + Abomination
FoW = Abyssal + Cave Spider
Deep = Kanaxai
Urgoz = Thorn Wolf
Slavers = Roaring Ether + Ooze + Flowstone Elemental + Flame Djinn

Only thing you'd be changing is that certain minis could drop from the end chests. Then you seem to be suggesting new minis be made and added.

Not a fan of minis myself, and I'd rather not get a mini from the end chests unless it was an ADDITIONAL drop, but that won't happen.

/unsigned

Sword Hammer Axe · May 19, 2009, 08:09 PM // 20:09

MagmaRed I'm not talking about miniatures resembling the elite areas' bestiary I'm talking about miniatures as rare rewards from the chest at the end. Just like a mini Mallyx is a reward from Domain of Anguish in some way, adding additional miniatures as rare rewards for the other elite areas will simply improve players motivation to do it.

Whether or not YOU are a fan of miniatures doesn't matter. You're only one of thousands.

Besides everyone in GW likes to get rare drops. I can most definitely say that you would prefer getting a mini Smite Crawler that is worth 100 k + as a drop from UW chest than a lousy Divine Staff r13. No ones forcing you to keep it. I would sell it myself XD

MagmaRed · May 19, 2009, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Mini Mallyx is not a reward for completing DoA. It is a random drop from a Coffer of Whispers. You can get a mini Mallyx without ever setting foot in DoA by buying a Coffer from someone. The monsters you mentioned as a mini for those areas are nothing different than what I said already exists. Smite Crawler is a monster in UW, but so is the Aatxe, Terrorweb Dryder, and Abomination. Abomination is actually a different monster, but the skin is the same.

So all you really are doing is asking for a mini to be the reward from the end chest. However, you are also asking for NEW mini's to be made, when there are currently mini's available that fit what you want them for (monsters from those zones). The only minis that I know of that come from reward chests are the Ghostly Hero and the Polar Bear.

Whether I like mini's or not, I dont' see Anet making new minis, and I don't see them putting them as a rare reward from a chest. If they are smart they will be saving up ideas for year 5, as they say GW will stay running even after GW2 is out, and they will want something to provide the people who stay with it. Using up all the minis early will cause them other problems.

/unsigned because I don't see this as something needed, useful, or productive to the game.

Brawn Over Brains · May 19, 2009, 09:43 PM // 21:43

Nice idea, but the price of ectos would plummet because there would be about 10 times as many SCers.
/notsigned

Sword Hammer Axe · May 19, 2009, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Mini Mallyx is not a reward for completing DoA. It is a random drop from a Coffer of Whispers. You can get a mini Mallyx without ever setting foot in DoA by buying a Coffer from someone. The monsters you mentioned as a mini for those areas are nothing different than what I said already exists. Smite Crawler is a monster in UW, but so is the Aatxe, Terrorweb Dryder, and Abomination. Abomination is actually a different monster, but the skin is the same.

So all you really are doing is asking for a mini to be the reward from the end chest. However, you are also asking for NEW mini's to be made, when there are currently mini's available that fit what you want them for (monsters from those zones). The only minis that I know of that come from reward chests are the Ghostly Hero and the Polar Bear.

Whether I like mini's or not, I dont' see Anet making new minis, and I don't see them putting them as a rare reward from a chest. If they are smart they will be saving up ideas for year 5, as they say GW will stay running even after GW2 is out, and they will want something to provide the people who stay with it. Using up all the minis early will cause them other problems.

/unsigned because I don't see this as something needed, useful, or productive to the game.

Well Madness Titans in DoA exist as miniatures too only a wee bit different skin, The word of madness creatures in DoA exist as a miniature too, the Abyssal that also roams DoA exist as a mini too.
Yes Mallyx comes from Coffer of Whispers so you just have to get money for that.
How is that different from buying a mini Smite Crawler? There would be none of those at all if no one sat foot in UW and the same thing about DoA.

But of course you are right they shouldn't use up all miniatures. But they still have plenty of skins to pick from though so I don't see that happening in near future. Besides it's not even sure that they will use minipets as 5th year gifts, although it's highly likely.

It is productive to the game as it motivates people to keep playing. Plain and simple. It's not that big an update anyways. Just a minipet skin that they are to remake. It doesn't even interact with any of the environment so how can it take very long to make? I honestly don't know but my guess is not very long :P I just think since they do monthly updates anyways this might be an ideal choice.

That's what I think at least XD

Cargan · May 20, 2009, 12:23 PM // 12:23

I'd /sign this for mini's for the end of dungeons. The main reason being that people need more motivation to do dungeons they've done many times before. I'll take the prime example of Vloxen; there's no rare skinned items and it's one of the longer and more difficult dungeons. People really have minimal motivation to go there unless it's to complete a dungeon book. This is true of most dungeons where new rare weapon skins were not added.
The price of these mini's will be dictated by the speed at which dungeons can be cleared and how easily they can be farmed therefore profit/effort ratio should one of these be found should be appropriate.

/notsigned for adding to UW or FoW chests purely for the effect it would have on the economy.

/signed for adding to the end of Urgoz & the Deep with an increased rarity (lower drop rate) over the mini's dropped from dungeons. I would also suggest the addition of a mini to Tombs to entice people back there.

I would propose the following conditions:
The mini's should drop in HM only.
Shadow Form fix (I would rather see a HM/NM skill split for this one skill so that people who rely solely upon it go back to NM where their skill level dictates) OR
Additional foes added in HM dungeons that can remove enchantments with monster skills (countering 600smite & SF based runs). This would make the most sense but would prefer something a bit more effective than the enchant removers that were added to tombs all that time ago.

I believe this would cut down on the speed of farming HM areas however letting them still be farmed at speed in NM meaning half the drops from the chest. This should keep the mini's rare enough and out of the hands of farmers without greatly affecting the enjoyment of the game for others.

Cargan

Yawgmoth · May 20, 2009, 08:12 PM // 20:12

1: There are already waaaay too many minis in game. Not only there is no reliable way to comfortably store all of them but they also lost their coolness and novelty factor.

2: But still Minis are extremelly valuable unless made common. There are LOTS of players who wan't to collect as many as possible, so they will pay big sums or grind a lot to get ones missing from their collection and will automatically want every new one released. Those players want them not because they're cool or anything, they live in the assumption that getting as many as possible in their HoM will give them better benefits in GW2

UW and FoW:

As much as I'd love a mini Smite Crawler (been waiting for it since first ones got released), this is not the right way to introduce it. They should make it a birthday mini or better, a rare drop straight from the smites! The one and only mini drop from mob, a mini smite for the smite farmers

But as for the endchests - both areas are already heavily farmed and have good rewards, there's no need for even more incentives to get people there, and adding as strong incentives as new minis would negatively impact the value of the rewards already existing there.
That would be very bad, but there's something that can be done about it: nerf Shadow Form, it's been imba for over 12 months too long. Cutting the degenerate extreme overfarm would balance out the new waves of people doing the areas for the minis.

Urgoz's Warren and The Deep

Now those areas are completely different - They're almost dead, they need to attract more players definately. They're Elite zones which don't have ANY 'elite' drops from the end chest! There's NOTHING 'elite' about them now when it comes to rewards, and actual valuable drops can be found on the way there, not from the endchest.

The average drops from endchest are pretty decent after the 2 updates, so most runs are not a complete waste of time, but that's not enough.
--Those dungeons need the "mini polar bear" factor -- a small chance for an Uber drop on top of the worthwhile rewards on average run.
Or maybe we don't know anything and there actually CAN drop an uberrare mini, one of the existing ubers like Kanaxai in the Deep and Island Guardian in Urgoz's, or less extreme but still very rare like the canthan purple trio of Oni/Yeti/Naga, with a droprate as low as chance of getting an Everlasting Yuletide Tonic from UW or FoW chest - if Urgoz/Deep will stay dead we may never know, they'd need to get as heavily farmed as UW/FoW for a single one to drop in several months time.

But overall I'm still not sure if adding minis is a good way to make rewards better. It would surely drag down value of all other rewards there, because HoM made Minis >>> Weapons.

Wrath of m0o · May 22, 2009, 07:38 AM // 07:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sword Hammer Axe

I think every elite area should have a source of getting a miniature, like how DoA has a mini Mallyx. For example:

Fissure of Woe endchest: Mini Shard Wolf.
Underworld endchest: Mini Smite Crawler.
Slaver's Exile endchest: Mini Justiciar Thommis.
Urgoz Warren endchest: Mini Warden.
Deep endchest: Leviathan Eye.

or something like that.

Reason I want this: I just like minipets and I think it would be a nice motivation to many players. I know that Smite Crawler for instance has been wanted as a minipet for a long time ^^

/signed
but change..
Slavers Exile: Mini Duncan the Black
Urgoz: Urgoz mini
Deep: Kanaxi mini

Sword Hammer Axe · May 22, 2009, 11:34 AM // 11:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

/signed
but change..
Slavers Exile: Mini Duncan the Black
Urgoz: Urgoz mini
Deep: Kanaxi mini

No :P Urgoz is immobile so making a urgoz mini would be, well... either annoyingly stupid looking or useless lol
Kanaxai already exists, and making it drop from that chest would really be a kick in the crotch for all those who have spend like 5000 k getting one.

A Duncan would be okay though, although I really really like the idea of a mini Thommis :P

1337 H4X · May 22, 2009, 01:56 PM // 13:56

If they destroy SC's, then the minis would be nice at a very rare level, so they dont become another worthless extra

**Marty Silverblade** · May 22, 2009, 10:33 PM // 22:33

If they're really rare and theres no stupid gimmick ways of farming them, then /signed.

Sword Hammer Axe · May 22, 2009, 10:41 PM // 22:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

If they're really rare and theres no stupid gimmick ways of farming them, then /signed.

Kinda what I had in mind ^^

MithranArkanere · May 23, 2009, 04:22 PM // 16:22

Hm... them the solo farming builds should be addressed...
Or all profession given a viable solo build that works in all places the others do.